What the fuck is that!?!? VIACOM billboards

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Postby TerrorStaak » August 1st, 2004, 9:22 pm

salut les zoulous
bon je ne vais pas rentrer dans le debat, je dirais simplement que je trouve l'opé un peu demago. :lol:
(j'ai pas lu avant, et je lirais pas apres.)
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Postby alexone » August 1st, 2004, 9:23 pm

in anglish please !
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Postby TerrorStaak » August 1st, 2004, 9:24 pm

ok, let's go eko for the translation!
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Postby alexone » August 1st, 2004, 9:26 pm

Baaataard bataard...bataaaarreuh!!
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Postby papasmurf » August 2nd, 2004, 12:38 pm

TerrorStaak wrote:salut les zoulous
bon je ne vais pas rentrer dans le debat, je dirais simplement que je trouve l'opé un peu demago. :lol:
(j'ai pas lu avant, et je lirais pas apres.)


ça veut dire que s'il t'avais sollicité tu aurais refusé?

does it mean that if they had called you,you would have say no?
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Postby TerrorStaak » August 2nd, 2004, 3:34 pm

ca veux dire que s'il m'avait proposé , je ne sais pas si j'aurais accepé, mais si j'avais accepté je n'aurais certainement pas fais un taf illustratif et politiquement correct comme la plupart des boulots. je pense que si l'on m'avait "proposé" et que si j'avais "accépté", je me serais certainement posé plus de questions que tous les artistes presents.
Je me demande quel est l'interet pour Viacom de soutenir une telle opération, quel est le message derriere tout cela, et puis quelle serait la position de Viacom si l'operation "une nuit" se produisait sur la totalité des 6000 panneaux...en gros a qui profite le plus cette operation? aux artistes? ou Viacom et le gaillard qui va produire le catalogue?
Petit point positif, j'ai cru comprendre que chaque artiste a pris 500 euros...(hey alex ca te permet de revenir a paris prendre des tofs!!) 8)
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Postby JOSPEH » August 2nd, 2004, 6:54 pm

tokyo wrote:isn´t there a rule witch says if the thread is started in english it shuld in english? :p


Funny, I am in Montreal, the french speaking part of Canada, and I was thinking the same thing. I cannot win, I just have to study. How's this...

ZUT ALOR!
SACRE BLEU!
TABERNAC!
QUEBECOIS!
POUTINE POULET!
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Postby TTTF » August 3rd, 2004, 8:42 am

il ne rend pas des mae fâchés si la personne parle français parce que je puis le parler moi-même extrêmement bien


http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en
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Postby eko » August 3rd, 2004, 8:52 am

Hard to sum up all that have been said.

Some wanted to know if the artists were paid. Alexone said they just had a little money to pay back their expenses.

Some appreciated that there are no sponsor on the posters, and that artists were free to show what they want on their posters.
But other answer them that all the posters that have been done are not really controversial.

Some said that they wouldn't participate to such campaign because they wouldn't accept to work with Viacom which is a "big nasty" company.

Some try to understand why Viacom run such a campaign.
Some say it is to promote themselves as french adbusters (anti-pub/anti advertissemnts) were very popular & active in France last months.
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Postby dav » August 3rd, 2004, 10:40 am

Ok on comprend maintenant
Il s'agit d'Urban Blooz
http://www.ekosystem.org/Streets.php3?Place=blooz


bizarre que personne n'ai justement fait de "rapprochements" entre les trucs d'urban blooz et celle de georges Rousse dans la campagne de viacom ! Image
http://www.art-to-date.com/ActeursArt/Artistes/Rousse/Default.htm
(au début captain, je pensais que c'est de ça que tu voulais parler !) :?

Engl.: strange that no one noticed some "common points" between urban blooz stuff and the image of Georges Rousse for viacom billboarding campaign!



isn´t there a rule witch says if the thread is started in english it shuld in english? :p


if you don't want understand that it's very hard & boring to try to translate in english "long sentences" when it's not our native language (and when our country isn't very linked with english culture unlike some parts of north europe)... :x you sucks! in my part, i do my best. when i can, i translate in english & espanol. :roll:

This topic was started by a french speaking person and it's about something that takes places in france... so i prefer to explain some ideas in french (for 50 french speaking persons) than to post 5 words in english to explain nothing (for 100 or more english-speaking persons)!!!
when english/american people post long sentences and "complex reflexions" i don't really understand completly what they mean (y es el mismo con textos en espanol/and it's same for spanish texts)... BUT i don't spend my time tearing on that!
When i go in spain i try to speak spanish (even if my spanish isn't as good as my english!) but i see that lots of foreigners don't... i don't want to say that english is the language of "evil" but it's boring all those post like "english please etc." are boring... sometimes it's easy to translate in english, sometimes NOT!
So if we can't explain something in english that mean we have to shut our mouth? fuck that! :evil:

xièxiè/chokran/grazie/danke/gracias/arigatô/merci! :wink:
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Postby TerrorStaak » August 3rd, 2004, 11:37 am

Dav, in french please! :lol:
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Postby dav » August 3rd, 2004, 1:05 pm

Et pourquoi pas tant que t'y es En occitan? en Catalan? en Basque? en Breton? en Creole? en verlan? en SMS? :roll:

"Les Francais ne sont pas forts dans le sport. Savez vous pourquoi ils ont choisi le coq comme emblème? Ben c'est parce que c'est le seul oiseau qu'arrive a chanter les pieds dans la merde, hein! " (michel Colucci) :lol:
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Postby TTTF » August 3rd, 2004, 4:00 pm

I don't mind a few sentences in french here and there... but when the topic has not the [french] - tag in it, I think it's little bit annoying if a good conversation turns in to french after 5 pages.

even when I get annoyed I don't bitch about it, I understand it's your native language and it helps express thoughts better. but in case someone's interested I just think my and other non-french speaking people's interest drops after a page full of french and I won't read the thread anymore. not a big deal really, unless people are really curious about the subject and it was in english first.

I like the way people title some topics [french] and that eko has the patience to translate the main ideas of the discussion. that keeps things "reasonable" :)
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Postby St.Arsky » August 3rd, 2004, 5:01 pm

C'est ki se VIACOM dont tous le monde parle ? il fait koi ? des pochoirs des affiches des peintures ? vous croyais kil y a moyen d'echanger des sticks avec lui pour mettre dans mon sticker-book ?
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Postby dav » August 3rd, 2004, 5:24 pm

I don't mind a few sentences in french here and there... but when the topic has not the [french] - tag in it, I think it's little bit annoying if a good conversation turns in to french after 5 pages.


-if you look the 1st page you'll see that nearly all the posts are from french people! (die-de, eko, alex, zhine, ilk you, crtl t, me...) so i think it's logic french people speak french with other french people! :P

to say very high level sentences like "great" or "it kicks ass" or "it's crappy" for sure spanish, french, german or mexican people could use english easily ... but when we have to explain things and/or use humor it's not so easy!

i think this topic isn't the best exemple for what you argue because as i said: it's about something that happens in france ... and the most part of the guys we talk about (alexone, andre, bbc, jonone, misstic, zevs, di rosa...) are french...

I just think my and other non-french speaking people's interest drops after a page full of french and I won't read the thread anymore. not a big deal really, unless people are really curious about the subject and it was in english first.


exactly like me (and a lot of others non-fluent english speaking people...) when i see long sentences in english and could exactly understand what it means!

in the past people (like sailors etc.) learn some words of foreign langages now do we have to use only english?

(cf: english titles of movies in europe, english slogans... 15years ago all those thinks where translated in each conuntry language!)
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Postby di-de » August 3rd, 2004, 5:38 pm

well, for that very topic, I put the blame on me cause I never should have started it in english, neither the title...
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Postby TTTF » August 3rd, 2004, 10:36 pm

It's all cool, dav... I pretty much agree with your text. this topic isnt a good example, I just noticed people were talking about languages here, so I was making a point in general sense in these forums.

I've already tried to learn some french words (i am a sailor too) so I could understand difference between words like merci and merde, and to figure out if the person is angry or happy. also some words are almost the same in english and other languages so all I actually need to do is to learn basic grammar and vocabulary to understand people a little bit better

I agree about the language thing too. I'm from finland and I cant speak finnish anywhere but here and there are lots of things that won't translate from finnish. We've got lots of different words for snow... in poor countries they probably have lots of words for hunger and flies. i don't know about france?
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Postby bzr » August 4th, 2004, 12:17 am

c'est a ne plus rien comprendre
mais c visuellement beau toujours plus beau qu'une pub st maclou ou un truc antipub degueux .

it is more beautifull than a lame advertissement poster or an ugly "anti-pub" operation.
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Postby dav » August 4th, 2004, 2:23 pm

in poor countries they probably have lots of words for hunger and flies


ouais je suis d'accord! par exemple il me semble que les inuits ont plus de 20 mots pour désigner la neige (selon ses nuances, son état...) 8)

pues, soy de acuerdo! creo que en el norte se habia mucho mas palabras para hablar de la nieve!
(sorry, i prefer to practise my spanish more than my english! :oops: )


euh sinon une question con: au début je me disais que viacom s'était peut etre démerdé pour toucher une subvention culturelle pour son opération mais apparement meme pas... hum mais le produit vente du bouquin qui sortira sur l'opération ira à qui? à mpg ?

eng.: at the beginning i was thinking that viacom have certainly catch some money from cultural organisations but it seems not... but how about benefits of the book about this exhibition?
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Postby dav » August 4th, 2004, 2:50 pm

au sujet de MPG:
"En 1989 Havas Advertising, devenu le quatrième groupe publicitaire mondial, crée Mediapolis en association avec Young et Rubicam.
En 1999, après sa fusion avec le groupe espagnol Media Planning, le groupe MPG redéploie et renforce ses activités :
Mediapolis devient Media Planning, MCBB et Concerto fusionnent pour former Arena, la deuxième agence conseil du groupe MPG .
Le 22 janvier 2001, Media Planning Group devient une filiale 100% Havas.
En septembre 2003, MPG développe un deuxième réseau media, Euromedia, basé à Suresnes. MPG Media Planning, MPG Link et Euromedia en tant qu'agences conseil, dans le cadre de leur réflexion stratégique, s'appuient sur des entités spécialisées : MPG Media Contacts, MPG Géopolis, MPG Ressources, MPG Partenariat, MPG Direct, MPG C&O, MPG Régions, MPG UMT, MPG Art, MPG International et Havas Sports. "
( http://www.mpg-france.com )


et plus particulièrement de MPG-art:
"MPG Art, agence conseil en communication par l'art, a pour mission de développer des stratégies, de créer des contenus culturels et de mettre en œuvre des événements pour développer une nouvelle forme de communication entre les entreprises publiques et privées et le grand public."


"Agence de communication par l’art :l’entreprise citoyenne et culturelle..." cf http://www.mpg-france.com/structures/detailMPGArt.asp :shock:
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